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		<title>By: David Bailey</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceandreason.ca/religion/killing-for-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 00:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that the best you can do? Please give me something to work with. Until then I&#039;ll try to make sense of things.

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Me - As an atheist I cannot blame a god
You - Yes you can...
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Of course I can blame a god if I wish, as I could also blame my recycling bin or the guy who operates the hot dog cart down at the beach. But obviously I was speaking of my own sense of morality and ethics, which prevent me from indulging in such a pointless and hypocritical venture.

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Me - Religion is not entirely blameless
You - Yes, it is.
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A person&#039;s actions may be informed and sanctioned by the religion they follow, and can have an effect upon those who are easily swayed. So yes, it is not entirely blameless. Those who promote a religious belief should be aware of that and take steps to mitigate any such problems. When I said &#039;religion&#039; I was referring to the institution, which I would think anyone could grasp.

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Me - If you wish to combat the excesses of religion, go ahead
You - *Facepalm*
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How witty[/sarcasm] I am stating that I have no moral right to prevent anyone from taking action, but I am not endorsing any particular course.

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Me - I should note that I am not trying to reach any specific conclusions
You - You should be...
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Explanation needed, I don&#039;t have ESP.

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You - Cultural Stricture is Located in Cerebellic Lobe&quot;
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Maybe, but unimportant. I don&#039;t give damn where it&#039;s located, the fact is that cultural strictures are learned behaviours. That&#039;s why we have so many different ones, they are not homogeneous across the world.

Anyway, enough troll feeding for one day.

Dave Bailey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that the best you can do? Please give me something to work with. Until then I&#8217;ll try to make sense of things.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Me &#8211; As an atheist I cannot blame a god<br />
You &#8211; Yes you can&#8230;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Of course I can blame a god if I wish, as I could also blame my recycling bin or the guy who operates the hot dog cart down at the beach. But obviously I was speaking of my own sense of morality and ethics, which prevent me from indulging in such a pointless and hypocritical venture.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Me &#8211; Religion is not entirely blameless<br />
You &#8211; Yes, it is.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>A person&#8217;s actions may be informed and sanctioned by the religion they follow, and can have an effect upon those who are easily swayed. So yes, it is not entirely blameless. Those who promote a religious belief should be aware of that and take steps to mitigate any such problems. When I said &#8216;religion&#8217; I was referring to the institution, which I would think anyone could grasp.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Me &#8211; If you wish to combat the excesses of religion, go ahead<br />
You &#8211; *Facepalm*<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>How witty[/sarcasm] I am stating that I have no moral right to prevent anyone from taking action, but I am not endorsing any particular course.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Me &#8211; I should note that I am not trying to reach any specific conclusions<br />
You &#8211; You should be&#8230;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Explanation needed, I don&#8217;t have ESP.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
You &#8211; Cultural Stricture is Located in Cerebellic Lobe&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Maybe, but unimportant. I don&#8217;t give damn where it&#8217;s located, the fact is that cultural strictures are learned behaviours. That&#8217;s why we have so many different ones, they are not homogeneous across the world.</p>
<p>Anyway, enough troll feeding for one day.</p>
<p>Dave Bailey</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Acton</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceandreason.ca/religion/killing-for-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Acton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an atheist I cannot blame a god

Yes you can...

Religion is not entirely blameless

Yes, it is.

If you wish to combat the excesses of religion, go ahead

*Facepalm*

I should note that I am not trying to reach any specific conclusions

You should be...

Cultural Stricture is Located in Cerebellic Lobe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an atheist I cannot blame a god</p>
<p>Yes you can&#8230;</p>
<p>Religion is not entirely blameless</p>
<p>Yes, it is.</p>
<p>If you wish to combat the excesses of religion, go ahead</p>
<p>*Facepalm*</p>
<p>I should note that I am not trying to reach any specific conclusions</p>
<p>You should be&#8230;</p>
<p>Cultural Stricture is Located in Cerebellic Lobe</p>
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		<title>By: David Bailey</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceandreason.ca/religion/killing-for-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Attempts to broaden the definition of religion to mean merely unquestioning acceptance of certain beliefs (i.e. discarding the supernatural element) are ill-advised.

In my opinion the comparison is valid, and adequately illustrates the point I am trying to make.


&gt; Proponents of general relativity are not called relativists. Proponents of the Big Bang theory are not called Big Bang-ists. Proponents of quantum field theory are not called quantum field theorists (the term actually refers to those who have a deep understanding of QFT, or those who work on the theory in academia). Public perception of terms does matter. A lot.

&quot;Why would the the designer not borrow that ingenious invention, the feather, for at least one bat? The evolutionist’s answer is clear. - Richard Dawkins, The Greatest Show on Earth, page 297.&quot;

Dawkins has obviously no objection to the term. I am in good company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Attempts to broaden the definition of religion to mean merely unquestioning acceptance of certain beliefs (i.e. discarding the supernatural element) are ill-advised.</p>
<p>In my opinion the comparison is valid, and adequately illustrates the point I am trying to make.</p>
<p>&gt; Proponents of general relativity are not called relativists. Proponents of the Big Bang theory are not called Big Bang-ists. Proponents of quantum field theory are not called quantum field theorists (the term actually refers to those who have a deep understanding of QFT, or those who work on the theory in academia). Public perception of terms does matter. A lot.</p>
<p>&#8220;Why would the the designer not borrow that ingenious invention, the feather, for at least one bat? The evolutionist’s answer is clear. &#8211; Richard Dawkins, The Greatest Show on Earth, page 297.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dawkins has obviously no objection to the term. I am in good company.</p>
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		<title>By: David Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please use your real name and not an e-mail handle.

I did not &quot;link genocides perpetrated by officially atheistic states to atheism itself&quot;, I merely expressed my opinion that atheists are capable of turning their philosophy into a religion, and that states such as those run by Stalin or Mao make &#039;statism&#039; an unofficial religion. I stand by that statement. As far as creationists turning &#039;evolutionist&#039; into a pejorative, I am really not concerned with what they think. I accept the evidence for evolution, I promote understanding and acceptance of it, and I defend it. The word is grammatically appropriate as far as I can see. I am more concerned with those of us who continually state that they &#039;believe&#039; in evolution. If you believe in it then you don&#039;t understand it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please use your real name and not an e-mail handle.</p>
<p>I did not &#8220;link genocides perpetrated by officially atheistic states to atheism itself&#8221;, I merely expressed my opinion that atheists are capable of turning their philosophy into a religion, and that states such as those run by Stalin or Mao make &#8216;statism&#8217; an unofficial religion. I stand by that statement. As far as creationists turning &#8216;evolutionist&#8217; into a pejorative, I am really not concerned with what they think. I accept the evidence for evolution, I promote understanding and acceptance of it, and I defend it. The word is grammatically appropriate as far as I can see. I am more concerned with those of us who continually state that they &#8216;believe&#8217; in evolution. If you believe in it then you don&#8217;t understand it.</p>
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		<title>By: pensive</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceandreason.ca/religion/killing-for-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>pensive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attempts to link genocides perpetrated by officially atheistic states to atheism itself are intellectually lazy. Neither Soviet Russia nor Maoist China committed the atrocities in the name of atheism. There were no slogans of the form &quot;kill all theists, for our lack of belief is superior!&quot;.

Furthermore you do yourself a disservice by using the term &#039;evolutionist&#039;. It is an anachronism that has been dredged up in recent times by The Institute for Creation Research to malign scientific acceptance of evolution as founded in faith. The more rabid believers of creationism use the term as an epithet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attempts to link genocides perpetrated by officially atheistic states to atheism itself are intellectually lazy. Neither Soviet Russia nor Maoist China committed the atrocities in the name of atheism. There were no slogans of the form &#8220;kill all theists, for our lack of belief is superior!&#8221;.</p>
<p>Furthermore you do yourself a disservice by using the term &#8216;evolutionist&#8217;. It is an anachronism that has been dredged up in recent times by The Institute for Creation Research to malign scientific acceptance of evolution as founded in faith. The more rabid believers of creationism use the term as an epithet.</p>
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