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		<title>By: Tristram Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tristram Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear David, thanks for your reply. I will address your points as best I can.

David wrote: &quot;If not, he certainly had a very close association with the practice, as noted here http://www.upcspine.com/PDF/Chrane.pdf&quot;

Tristram&#039;s reply: That article is misleading for it reviews a process called the Chrane Condyle Lift which was created by Virgil Chrane Sr. (not to be confused with Virgil Chrane Jr. the founder of Alphabiotics). The Condyle Lift is unrelated to Developmental Alphabiotics. 

David wrote: &quot;My research doesn’t indicate that Alphabiotics International is in any way the only governing body for the practice. There are others, and since it is not a legally recognized profession there can be no such claim by AI, therefore the point is not really relevant.&quot;

Tristram&#039;s reply: I would love to see your &#039;research&#039; on the matter perhaps you could post some of it here?. I can only speak for Alphabiotics International. Whether other people claim to be offering the same service or not, does not in any way mean they are offering the same service. I&#039;m not sure what a legally recognized profession is, perhaps you could clarify? 

David wrote: &quot;Why do they speak cautiously? Medical researchers will be cautious when testing and evaluating a new drug or treatment, but once it is accepted the literature will detail the methodology and effects. Medical schools do not speak cautiously about what the training is or how it works.&quot;

Tristram&#039;s reply: The use of cautious wording reflects a difficulty to convey using language what is beyond the mind&#039;s ability to comprehend. This is hoped to be improved in time.

David wrote: &quot;Why does it talk in flowery prose such as “Alphabiotics is considered by many to be a breakthrough discovery in the evolution of consciousness; a significant step forward in the technology of human potential; a real way for people to find joy, inner peace, and meaning in life and living. It was introduced as a thoroughly proven, reality based, non-temporal, hands-on helping profession in 1971.”

Tristram&#039;s reply: That the prose seems flowery is obviously your opinion. The claims made in that sentence are fairly accurate based on my experience.

David Wrote: &quot;Have these “extraordinary personal changes” been written up in a peer-reviewed medical journal? If it is so wonderful and effective it would be nice of alphabioticists to bring this new treatment to more people and help ease the stress and suffering in the world. And where did I claim that it was supernatural? I merely said that it was pseudoscience. So is homeopathy, but there is no supernatural quality implied, just a complete lack of scientific understanding. However alphabiotics, I suspect, does stray into the supernatural, as evidenced by these claims from the web site of Alphabiotics International:

Tristram&#039;s reply: Alphabiotics is not a medical procedure, nor is a therapy. It has been not been written up in any peer reviewed medical journals to the best of my knowledge. I&#039;m not sure why this would ever happen as Alphabiotics is not a medical service, treatment or health process of any description. I am a confused that you say &quot;If it is so wonderful and effective it would be nice of alphabioticists to bring this new treatment to more people and help ease the stress and suffering in the world.&quot; because Alphabiotics is readily available now. We welcome people to receive the service. 

David wrote: No serious person could claim that the idea of a god is anything other than supernatural, and to claim that such an entity can effect changes in our world moves your interpretation of alphabiotics firmly into the supernatural realm.

Tristram&#039;s reply: What is meant by &#039;a serious person&#039;? References to God may or may not represent &#039;supernatural&#039; but that is unanswerable. Being unable to perceive God, does not negate God.

Kind regards

Tristram Brown</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear David, thanks for your reply. I will address your points as best I can.</p>
<p>David wrote: &#8220;If not, he certainly had a very close association with the practice, as noted here <a href="http://www.upcspine.com/PDF/Chrane.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.upcspine.com/PDF/Chrane.pdf</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>Tristram&#8217;s reply: That article is misleading for it reviews a process called the Chrane Condyle Lift which was created by Virgil Chrane Sr. (not to be confused with Virgil Chrane Jr. the founder of Alphabiotics). The Condyle Lift is unrelated to Developmental Alphabiotics. </p>
<p>David wrote: &#8220;My research doesn’t indicate that Alphabiotics International is in any way the only governing body for the practice. There are others, and since it is not a legally recognized profession there can be no such claim by AI, therefore the point is not really relevant.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tristram&#8217;s reply: I would love to see your &#8216;research&#8217; on the matter perhaps you could post some of it here?. I can only speak for Alphabiotics International. Whether other people claim to be offering the same service or not, does not in any way mean they are offering the same service. I&#8217;m not sure what a legally recognized profession is, perhaps you could clarify? </p>
<p>David wrote: &#8220;Why do they speak cautiously? Medical researchers will be cautious when testing and evaluating a new drug or treatment, but once it is accepted the literature will detail the methodology and effects. Medical schools do not speak cautiously about what the training is or how it works.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tristram&#8217;s reply: The use of cautious wording reflects a difficulty to convey using language what is beyond the mind&#8217;s ability to comprehend. This is hoped to be improved in time.</p>
<p>David wrote: &#8220;Why does it talk in flowery prose such as “Alphabiotics is considered by many to be a breakthrough discovery in the evolution of consciousness; a significant step forward in the technology of human potential; a real way for people to find joy, inner peace, and meaning in life and living. It was introduced as a thoroughly proven, reality based, non-temporal, hands-on helping profession in 1971.”</p>
<p>Tristram&#8217;s reply: That the prose seems flowery is obviously your opinion. The claims made in that sentence are fairly accurate based on my experience.</p>
<p>David Wrote: &#8220;Have these “extraordinary personal changes” been written up in a peer-reviewed medical journal? If it is so wonderful and effective it would be nice of alphabioticists to bring this new treatment to more people and help ease the stress and suffering in the world. And where did I claim that it was supernatural? I merely said that it was pseudoscience. So is homeopathy, but there is no supernatural quality implied, just a complete lack of scientific understanding. However alphabiotics, I suspect, does stray into the supernatural, as evidenced by these claims from the web site of Alphabiotics International:</p>
<p>Tristram&#8217;s reply: Alphabiotics is not a medical procedure, nor is a therapy. It has been not been written up in any peer reviewed medical journals to the best of my knowledge. I&#8217;m not sure why this would ever happen as Alphabiotics is not a medical service, treatment or health process of any description. I am a confused that you say &#8220;If it is so wonderful and effective it would be nice of alphabioticists to bring this new treatment to more people and help ease the stress and suffering in the world.&#8221; because Alphabiotics is readily available now. We welcome people to receive the service. </p>
<p>David wrote: No serious person could claim that the idea of a god is anything other than supernatural, and to claim that such an entity can effect changes in our world moves your interpretation of alphabiotics firmly into the supernatural realm.</p>
<p>Tristram&#8217;s reply: What is meant by &#8216;a serious person&#8217;? References to God may or may not represent &#8216;supernatural&#8217; but that is unanswerable. Being unable to perceive God, does not negate God.</p>
<p>Kind regards</p>
<p>Tristram Brown</p>
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		<title>By: David Bailey</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceandreason.ca/pseudoscience/alphabiotics-from-the-neck-up/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;- Virgil Chrane is not a former Chiropractor.&quot;

If not, he certainly had a very close association with the practice, as noted here: 

http://www.upcspine.com/PDF/Chrane.pdf

There are many other sites which show a close association, and other which list him as &#039;D.C.&#039;

&quot;- The legal case to which this article refers involved a chiropractor who was not a member of Alphabiotics International. Therefore it is impossible to know what he was offering his clients.&quot;

My research doesn&#039;t indicate that Alphabiotics International is in any way the only governing body for the practice. There are others, and since it is not a legally recognized profession there can be no such claim by AI, therefore the point is not really relevant.

&quot;- Alphabiotics is not a church or religion, despite the chiropractor using this as a legal defense (in the aforementioned legal case).&quot;

Then I will accept the change to &quot;some adherents&quot;.

&quot;- Alphabiotics does use its language cautiously, perhaps this gives the impression of being a bit ‘wishy washy’.&quot;

Why do they speak cautiously? Medical researchers will be cautious when testing and evaluating a new drug or treatment, but once it is accepted the literature will detail the methodology and effects. Medical schools do not speak cautiously about what the training is or how it works.

&quot;- The process is a form of stress relief and nothing more.&quot;

Then why doesn&#039;t it just say that in those simple terms? Why does it talk in flowery prose such as &quot;Alphabiotics is considered by many to be a breakthrough discovery in the evolution of consciousness; a significant step forward in the technology of human potential; a real way for people to find joy, inner peace, and meaning in life and living. It was introduced as a thoroughly proven, reality based, non-temporal, hands-on helping profession in 1971.&quot;

&quot;- There have been reported some extraordinary personal changes as a result of undergoing the process, but the claim these are supernatural or mystical is conjecture.&quot;

Have these &quot;extraordinary personal changes&quot; been written up in a peer-reviewed medical journal? If it is so wonderful and effective it would be nice of alphabioticists to bring this new treatment to more people and help ease the stress and suffering in the world. And where did I claim that it was supernatural? I merely said that it was pseudoscience. So is homeopathy, but there is no supernatural quality implied, just a complete lack of scientific understanding. However alphabiotics, I suspect, does stray into the supernatural, as evidenced by these claims from the web site of Alphabiotics International:

&quot;We serve God by helping others, ...

Quantum physics is now confirming what spiritually aware people have known for hundreds of years:

- That beyond energy and matter is a Supreme Intelligence;
- That a part of that Supreme Intelligence manifests in human beings;

Alphabioticists accept the fact that there is more to life than what we can see, hear, smell, taste, and touch; that there is a Higher Power that created us, sustains us, heals us, helps us, and wants the best for us. That is the Power, alphabioticists believe we all must recognize and work with!&quot;

No serious person could claim that the idea of a god is anything other than supernatural, and to claim that such an entity can effect changes in our world moves your interpretation of alphabiotics firmly into the supernatural realm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;- Virgil Chrane is not a former Chiropractor.&#8221;</p>
<p>If not, he certainly had a very close association with the practice, as noted here: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.upcspine.com/PDF/Chrane.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.upcspine.com/PDF/Chrane.pdf</a></p>
<p>There are many other sites which show a close association, and other which list him as &#8216;D.C.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8220;- The legal case to which this article refers involved a chiropractor who was not a member of Alphabiotics International. Therefore it is impossible to know what he was offering his clients.&#8221;</p>
<p>My research doesn&#8217;t indicate that Alphabiotics International is in any way the only governing body for the practice. There are others, and since it is not a legally recognized profession there can be no such claim by AI, therefore the point is not really relevant.</p>
<p>&#8220;- Alphabiotics is not a church or religion, despite the chiropractor using this as a legal defense (in the aforementioned legal case).&#8221;</p>
<p>Then I will accept the change to &#8220;some adherents&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;- Alphabiotics does use its language cautiously, perhaps this gives the impression of being a bit ‘wishy washy’.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why do they speak cautiously? Medical researchers will be cautious when testing and evaluating a new drug or treatment, but once it is accepted the literature will detail the methodology and effects. Medical schools do not speak cautiously about what the training is or how it works.</p>
<p>&#8220;- The process is a form of stress relief and nothing more.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then why doesn&#8217;t it just say that in those simple terms? Why does it talk in flowery prose such as &#8220;Alphabiotics is considered by many to be a breakthrough discovery in the evolution of consciousness; a significant step forward in the technology of human potential; a real way for people to find joy, inner peace, and meaning in life and living. It was introduced as a thoroughly proven, reality based, non-temporal, hands-on helping profession in 1971.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;- There have been reported some extraordinary personal changes as a result of undergoing the process, but the claim these are supernatural or mystical is conjecture.&#8221;</p>
<p>Have these &#8220;extraordinary personal changes&#8221; been written up in a peer-reviewed medical journal? If it is so wonderful and effective it would be nice of alphabioticists to bring this new treatment to more people and help ease the stress and suffering in the world. And where did I claim that it was supernatural? I merely said that it was pseudoscience. So is homeopathy, but there is no supernatural quality implied, just a complete lack of scientific understanding. However alphabiotics, I suspect, does stray into the supernatural, as evidenced by these claims from the web site of Alphabiotics International:</p>
<p>&#8220;We serve God by helping others, &#8230;</p>
<p>Quantum physics is now confirming what spiritually aware people have known for hundreds of years:</p>
<p>- That beyond energy and matter is a Supreme Intelligence;<br />
- That a part of that Supreme Intelligence manifests in human beings;</p>
<p>Alphabioticists accept the fact that there is more to life than what we can see, hear, smell, taste, and touch; that there is a Higher Power that created us, sustains us, heals us, helps us, and wants the best for us. That is the Power, alphabioticists believe we all must recognize and work with!&#8221;</p>
<p>No serious person could claim that the idea of a god is anything other than supernatural, and to claim that such an entity can effect changes in our world moves your interpretation of alphabiotics firmly into the supernatural realm.</p>
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		<title>By: Tristram Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceandreason.ca/pseudoscience/alphabiotics-from-the-neck-up/comment-page-1/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristram Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Developmental Alphabioticist and have been for about 10 years. I am also a journalism graduate and more recently have undertaken a Masters Degree in Psychology.  

I am not writing this reply to try and change anyone&#039;s personal beliefs; rather to point out inaccuracies contained within the article above.

- Virgil Chrane is not a former Chiropractor.
- The legal case to which this article refers involved a chiropractor who was not a member of Alphabiotics International. Therefore it is impossible to know what he was offering his clients.
- Alphabiotics is not a church or religion, despite the chiropractor using this as a legal defense (in the aforementioned legal case).
- Alphabiotics does use its language cautiously, perhaps this gives the impression of being a bit &#039;wishy washy&#039;. 
- The process is a form of stress relief and nothing more. 
- There have been reported some extraordinary personal changes as a result of undergoing the process, but the claim these are supernatural or mystical is conjecture.

Please feel free to contact me with any questions you may have. 

Kind regards

Tristram Brown
alphabiotic@hotmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Developmental Alphabioticist and have been for about 10 years. I am also a journalism graduate and more recently have undertaken a Masters Degree in Psychology.  </p>
<p>I am not writing this reply to try and change anyone&#8217;s personal beliefs; rather to point out inaccuracies contained within the article above.</p>
<p>- Virgil Chrane is not a former Chiropractor.<br />
- The legal case to which this article refers involved a chiropractor who was not a member of Alphabiotics International. Therefore it is impossible to know what he was offering his clients.<br />
- Alphabiotics is not a church or religion, despite the chiropractor using this as a legal defense (in the aforementioned legal case).<br />
- Alphabiotics does use its language cautiously, perhaps this gives the impression of being a bit &#8216;wishy washy&#8217;.<br />
- The process is a form of stress relief and nothing more.<br />
- There have been reported some extraordinary personal changes as a result of undergoing the process, but the claim these are supernatural or mystical is conjecture.</p>
<p>Please feel free to contact me with any questions you may have. </p>
<p>Kind regards</p>
<p>Tristram Brown<br />
<a href="mailto:alphabiotic@hotmail.com">alphabiotic@hotmail.com</a></p>
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