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		<title>Comment on Lies about Canadian health care by Canada cuts government and taxes, yet its economy is booming - Page 2 - CycloneFanatic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canada cuts government and taxes, yet its economy is booming - Page 2 - CycloneFanatic</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on Hope Without Faith by shadeydave</title>
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		<dc:creator>shadeydave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 03:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dear friend,



&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&quot;Jesus loves you so much that he told me to visit this site, and contact you.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Translation: You felt like &#039;saving&#039; someone and started googling until you settled on my article. Either that or you are a christian who knows me personally, and decided to pull a magic trick by insincerely claiming a higher power sent you here. Either way, it&#039;s dishonest and crappy, especially if you expect me to come back to that way of life. Even though I&#039;ve stated that I honor truth above all else, you would lie to me immediately and have my whole spiritual reaffirmation be based on falsehoods? IMHO: that&#039;s terrible.

As for the rest of your comment, you seem to talk for God, as if you know Him personally. You may even believe you do, but there are a lot of people who claim to know how God works… some condone burning people alive at the stake, some rob their poverty stricken parishioners blind just to fill their own pockets, some strive to enforce laws that take basic human rights away from the people they disagree with, and some do it to fill a dogma-dredged, guilt-laden hole in their own lives. But do any of these people really know God&#039;s agenda? Really? I&#039;ve often heard God described by christians as being &quot;Unknowable&quot;. How then, do you presume to know anything about God? How does anyone? 

Since nobody can agree on exactly what God wants, needs, or even how He works (even within the different sects of christianity), it tells me that people are making stuff up, and it doesn&#039;t matter if He exists or not. With that much inconsistent information coming from every corner of the Earth and every walk of life, I can&#039;t say either way, if he exists or not. So for now, there is a big question mark in my life where God used to be. And that question mark get&#039;s smaller every time I learn something new.



&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&quot;This root problem is your heart.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



As for my heart. It isn&#039;t hardened, it&#039;s cautious. I do have a loved one who has gone out of their way to harm me, time and again, in order to preserve their own way of life and make themselves feel better. Though I do forgive them, I don&#039;t fully trust them. To do so would be foolhardy. After all, love should always be freely given, but trust is something that&#039;s earned. Trust isn&#039;t a right, it&#039;s a response to a social pattern. 

I don&#039;t trust in the existence of God and the power of prayer because I have always gotten inconsistent results and mixed messages, making faith a very untrustworthy tool to help you get through life.



&lt;strong&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;“Supposing you developed Alzheimer’s disease. How on earth will you have the intelligence and energy to take actions necessary to solve your problems?”&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;



Your question seems non sequitur. If I developed Alzheimer&#039;s, the only problem I would want to solve at that time would be to NOT have Alzheimer&#039;s. But that diagnosis won&#039;t change, no matter how much praying I do...

Presumably, if I&#039;m a really good guy, I&#039;ll have a strong support system to fall back on, even during the hardest of times. I will have this support system because I&#039;ve dedicated my life to the service of others. I don&#039;t understand how God is needed at all in this circumstance.

If this ever happens to me, this is one of those circumstances that life passes you that you cannot control, and it&#039;s definitely a situation that you cannot handle. Something God promises he would NEVER do, yet how many good christians are diagnosed with Alzheimer&#039;s each day? And does their faith ultimately save them from the indignity and horror this disease certainly provides? 

All that aside... This is a very common end to a person&#039;s life. How on Earth would praying save you from that? Nothing saves us from mortality, we are all going down that road. When I&#039;m gone, so are my cares and problems. The only thing having support and help during this kind of death would provide, is extending my life for a few more months, as I waste away slower than if I were on my own. What exactly do I need to pray for then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dear friend,</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>&#8220;Jesus loves you so much that he told me to visit this site, and contact you.&#8221;</strong>
</p></blockquote>
<p>Translation: You felt like &#8216;saving&#8217; someone and started googling until you settled on my article. Either that or you are a christian who knows me personally, and decided to pull a magic trick by insincerely claiming a higher power sent you here. Either way, it&#8217;s dishonest and crappy, especially if you expect me to come back to that way of life. Even though I&#8217;ve stated that I honor truth above all else, you would lie to me immediately and have my whole spiritual reaffirmation be based on falsehoods? IMHO: that&#8217;s terrible.</p>
<p>As for the rest of your comment, you seem to talk for God, as if you know Him personally. You may even believe you do, but there are a lot of people who claim to know how God works… some condone burning people alive at the stake, some rob their poverty stricken parishioners blind just to fill their own pockets, some strive to enforce laws that take basic human rights away from the people they disagree with, and some do it to fill a dogma-dredged, guilt-laden hole in their own lives. But do any of these people really know God&#8217;s agenda? Really? I&#8217;ve often heard God described by christians as being &#8220;Unknowable&#8221;. How then, do you presume to know anything about God? How does anyone? </p>
<p>Since nobody can agree on exactly what God wants, needs, or even how He works (even within the different sects of christianity), it tells me that people are making stuff up, and it doesn&#8217;t matter if He exists or not. With that much inconsistent information coming from every corner of the Earth and every walk of life, I can&#8217;t say either way, if he exists or not. So for now, there is a big question mark in my life where God used to be. And that question mark get&#8217;s smaller every time I learn something new.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>&#8220;This root problem is your heart.&#8221;</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>As for my heart. It isn&#8217;t hardened, it&#8217;s cautious. I do have a loved one who has gone out of their way to harm me, time and again, in order to preserve their own way of life and make themselves feel better. Though I do forgive them, I don&#8217;t fully trust them. To do so would be foolhardy. After all, love should always be freely given, but trust is something that&#8217;s earned. Trust isn&#8217;t a right, it&#8217;s a response to a social pattern. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t trust in the existence of God and the power of prayer because I have always gotten inconsistent results and mixed messages, making faith a very untrustworthy tool to help you get through life.</p>
<p><strong><br />
<blockquote>“Supposing you developed Alzheimer’s disease. How on earth will you have the intelligence and energy to take actions necessary to solve your problems?”</p></blockquote>
<p></strong></p>
<p>Your question seems non sequitur. If I developed Alzheimer&#8217;s, the only problem I would want to solve at that time would be to NOT have Alzheimer&#8217;s. But that diagnosis won&#8217;t change, no matter how much praying I do&#8230;</p>
<p>Presumably, if I&#8217;m a really good guy, I&#8217;ll have a strong support system to fall back on, even during the hardest of times. I will have this support system because I&#8217;ve dedicated my life to the service of others. I don&#8217;t understand how God is needed at all in this circumstance.</p>
<p>If this ever happens to me, this is one of those circumstances that life passes you that you cannot control, and it&#8217;s definitely a situation that you cannot handle. Something God promises he would NEVER do, yet how many good christians are diagnosed with Alzheimer&#8217;s each day? And does their faith ultimately save them from the indignity and horror this disease certainly provides? </p>
<p>All that aside&#8230; This is a very common end to a person&#8217;s life. How on Earth would praying save you from that? Nothing saves us from mortality, we are all going down that road. When I&#8217;m gone, so are my cares and problems. The only thing having support and help during this kind of death would provide, is extending my life for a few more months, as I waste away slower than if I were on my own. What exactly do I need to pray for then?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hope Without Faith by shadeydave</title>
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		<dc:creator>shadeydave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 01:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.</description>
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		<title>Comment on What the Bible says about Christmas trees by David Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 00:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trouble with being accused of taking biblical phrases out of context is; who determines the context? Much of the bible is ambiguous, vague, and open to many interpretations,  and much of it is metaphor. Five different people might interpret the same phrase five different ways, or might not even try because they can&#039;t figure it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble with being accused of taking biblical phrases out of context is; who determines the context? Much of the bible is ambiguous, vague, and open to many interpretations,  and much of it is metaphor. Five different people might interpret the same phrase five different ways, or might not even try because they can&#8217;t figure it out.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hope Without Faith by Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dear brother,
Jesus loves you so much that he told me to visit this site, and contact you. Please turn back your heart to Jesus. Your past prayers were actually answered by God. Why it seems as if God didn&#039;t listen to you is because, HE(God) does not solve the symptoms of a problem only. God is more interested in the root cause of a problem. This root problem is your heart. For instance, in the midst of your joyful nature, you still have a relationship problem with a loved one. Now, God will first begin to change your heart to a loving person, before giving you a better relationship with your loved one(beware of past hurts in the family, which is not forgiven by you). You need patience after faith. Besides, you are free to take any action you want without Jesus, in order to solve your problems in life. But have you asked youself this qustion: &quot;Supposing you developed Alzheimer&#039;s disease. How on earth will you have the intelligence and energy to take actions necessary to solve your problems?&quot;. Go back now into your room, and pray for forgiveness&quot; Jesus still loves you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dear brother,<br />
Jesus loves you so much that he told me to visit this site, and contact you. Please turn back your heart to Jesus. Your past prayers were actually answered by God. Why it seems as if God didn&#8217;t listen to you is because, HE(God) does not solve the symptoms of a problem only. God is more interested in the root cause of a problem. This root problem is your heart. For instance, in the midst of your joyful nature, you still have a relationship problem with a loved one. Now, God will first begin to change your heart to a loving person, before giving you a better relationship with your loved one(beware of past hurts in the family, which is not forgiven by you). You need patience after faith. Besides, you are free to take any action you want without Jesus, in order to solve your problems in life. But have you asked youself this qustion: &#8220;Supposing you developed Alzheimer&#8217;s disease. How on earth will you have the intelligence and energy to take actions necessary to solve your problems?&#8221;. Go back now into your room, and pray for forgiveness&#8221; Jesus still loves you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What the Bible says about Christmas trees by David Stiger</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceandreason.ca/religion/what-the-bible-says-about-christmas-trees/comment-page-1/#comment-636</link>
		<dc:creator>David Stiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 17:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Out of context?  I think you&#039;re taking the &#039;christmas&#039; tree out of context because the practice is pre-christian.

You can&#039;t just put up a tree and call it a scientology tree now and assume that you&#039;ve started a whole new tradition.  The general population at the time of the writing of the bible was already taking a tree down to decorate it in winter and to exchange gifts as a symbol of oneness and solidarity not just for a display of wealth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of context?  I think you&#8217;re taking the &#8216;christmas&#8217; tree out of context because the practice is pre-christian.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t just put up a tree and call it a scientology tree now and assume that you&#8217;ve started a whole new tradition.  The general population at the time of the writing of the bible was already taking a tree down to decorate it in winter and to exchange gifts as a symbol of oneness and solidarity not just for a display of wealth.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bright-sided: How Positive Thinking is Undermining America  by Barbara Ehrenreich by MK</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceandreason.ca/book_reviews/bright-sided-how-positive-thinking-is-undermining-america-by-barbara-ehrenreich/comment-page-1/#comment-633</link>
		<dc:creator>MK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 05:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bright-Sided is a *horrible* book. It&#039;s a bait and switch con job, and if it suckered you in, you need to step back and re-examine your critical thinking skills. 

The book starts off by attacking something that is patently unreasonable, and then once it has you nodding your head in agreement, it switches to attacking cognitive psychology. And make no mistake, Ehrenreich isn&#039;t attacking positive psychology -- she&#039;s attacking *cognitive* psychology through positive psychology, which is a subset of the field.

Ehrenreich is a classic 1960s liberal. Behaviorism and cultural determinism underpin the entire philosophical framework of the old-school left, and she is a student of that nonsense. You take Ehrenreich at face value, instead of considering her ideological motives. She is a quack. Her book is quackery. 

Bright-sided carries two implicit messages:

1. Cognitive psychology is bullshit 
and 
2. Our mental states and behaviors are better explained by environmental and cultural factors. 

That&#039;s what her book is about. That&#039;s the subtext. That&#039;s what you get if you actually bother to follow her arguments to their natural conclusions.

&quot;People have no self-control, their behaviors and mental states are determined by their environment, and if people are unhappy jerks, it&#039;s because they live in unhappy environments. Society made them that way.&quot;

Psychology was held back immensely by behaviorism and cultural determinism. Paul Ekman was afraid of publishing his work on facial expressions because it went against the idea that emotions are cultural, and that there are no human universals. He wasn&#039;t alone in his fears. For decades, researchers and professors were blacklisted if they didn&#039;t toe the party line. Martin Seligman, who Ehrenreich savages in her book, played a huge role in wrestling control of psychology away from the determinists and behaviorists. Ehrenreich knows this. I suspect that&#039;s the real reason she showers him with so much contempt.

Bright-Sided pretends to be a polemic against positive thinking, but it&#039;s really a polemic against the existence of universal principles in psychology. For Ehrenreich, cognitive psychology has no basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bright-Sided is a *horrible* book. It&#8217;s a bait and switch con job, and if it suckered you in, you need to step back and re-examine your critical thinking skills. </p>
<p>The book starts off by attacking something that is patently unreasonable, and then once it has you nodding your head in agreement, it switches to attacking cognitive psychology. And make no mistake, Ehrenreich isn&#8217;t attacking positive psychology &#8212; she&#8217;s attacking *cognitive* psychology through positive psychology, which is a subset of the field.</p>
<p>Ehrenreich is a classic 1960s liberal. Behaviorism and cultural determinism underpin the entire philosophical framework of the old-school left, and she is a student of that nonsense. You take Ehrenreich at face value, instead of considering her ideological motives. She is a quack. Her book is quackery. </p>
<p>Bright-sided carries two implicit messages:</p>
<p>1. Cognitive psychology is bullshit<br />
and<br />
2. Our mental states and behaviors are better explained by environmental and cultural factors. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what her book is about. That&#8217;s the subtext. That&#8217;s what you get if you actually bother to follow her arguments to their natural conclusions.</p>
<p>&#8220;People have no self-control, their behaviors and mental states are determined by their environment, and if people are unhappy jerks, it&#8217;s because they live in unhappy environments. Society made them that way.&#8221;</p>
<p>Psychology was held back immensely by behaviorism and cultural determinism. Paul Ekman was afraid of publishing his work on facial expressions because it went against the idea that emotions are cultural, and that there are no human universals. He wasn&#8217;t alone in his fears. For decades, researchers and professors were blacklisted if they didn&#8217;t toe the party line. Martin Seligman, who Ehrenreich savages in her book, played a huge role in wrestling control of psychology away from the determinists and behaviorists. Ehrenreich knows this. I suspect that&#8217;s the real reason she showers him with so much contempt.</p>
<p>Bright-Sided pretends to be a polemic against positive thinking, but it&#8217;s really a polemic against the existence of universal principles in psychology. For Ehrenreich, cognitive psychology has no basis.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why you shouldn&#8217;t take Lenny Briscoe&#8217;s lie-detector test by Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 04:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this article on your web pageby Eric McMillan in 2007 titled Why wouldn&#039;t you Take Lenny Briscoe&#039;s Lie Detector Test. The polygraph is old technology, why don&#039;t you discuss the new technologies used for determining if information about a crime or crime scene is present in an individuals mind. See the link http://www.brainwavescience.com/criminal-justice.php
Regarding Brain Fingerprinting. What do you think about the claimed success of Dr A. Farell? I hope they achieve 100% acuracy with truth detection and I often think about the impact to our society and laws</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this article on your web pageby Eric McMillan in 2007 titled Why wouldn&#8217;t you Take Lenny Briscoe&#8217;s Lie Detector Test. The polygraph is old technology, why don&#8217;t you discuss the new technologies used for determining if information about a crime or crime scene is present in an individuals mind. See the link <a href="http://www.brainwavescience.com/criminal-justice.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.brainwavescience.com/criminal-justice.php</a><br />
Regarding Brain Fingerprinting. What do you think about the claimed success of Dr A. Farell? I hope they achieve 100% acuracy with truth detection and I often think about the impact to our society and laws</p>
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		<title>Comment on Join Us by Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 02:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff - hope to become a member soon so I can contribute.  This is important stuff!  Any meetups near Brampton?

http://www.relativelyinteresting.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff &#8211; hope to become a member soon so I can contribute.  This is important stuff!  Any meetups near Brampton?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.relativelyinteresting.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.relativelyinteresting.com</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on What the Bible says about Christmas trees by Lara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of Christians use that passage in Jeremiah to condemn Christmas trees, but that Scripture, I believe, isn&#039;t about taking a tree in the house &amp; decorating it.  It&#039;s about making household idols, because, back in those days, they&#039;d cut down a tree, &amp; carve an idol out of it, overlaying it with gold, silver &amp; fine jewels.  The works of a man&#039;s hand.  So it&#039;s taken totally out of context, as are many Bible verses.  Regardless, I for one am not going to bow down &amp; worship my tree, so this Christian will happily &amp; without any condemnation, decorate my blingy tree &amp; enjoy watching my 5 year old look at it with joy in his eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of Christians use that passage in Jeremiah to condemn Christmas trees, but that Scripture, I believe, isn&#8217;t about taking a tree in the house &amp; decorating it.  It&#8217;s about making household idols, because, back in those days, they&#8217;d cut down a tree, &amp; carve an idol out of it, overlaying it with gold, silver &amp; fine jewels.  The works of a man&#8217;s hand.  So it&#8217;s taken totally out of context, as are many Bible verses.  Regardless, I for one am not going to bow down &amp; worship my tree, so this Christian will happily &amp; without any condemnation, decorate my blingy tree &amp; enjoy watching my 5 year old look at it with joy in his eyes.</p>
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